He is his total opposite and equal in power. Poll Shinra Banshoman vs Pre Retcon Beyonder and Lucifer Morningstar (115 votes) Beyonder and Lucifer erase Shinra on accident 16%. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has more statements of powers than the new ones. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. The All-Mighty (SCP) vs TOAA, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and Oblivion (Marvel) All of them at their strongest. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. FIRST COSMOS. Sep 20, 2018. R. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. Both sides are in character but determined to win. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. Thanks!!!!!In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 3. icecream1991. #1. The Beyonder didn’t know. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Now just imagine 10,000 of them vs 10,000 Celestials. Beyonder was everything inside the Multi-verse. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1 Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal 4 years ago #2. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. She/Her. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". Wiki Points. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2. He. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. Wiki Points. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. Round 1: CAS vs. All proof that is needed is the fact that he is beyond the marvel multiverse. Beyonder preretcon upgrade. TOAA wins either way though. COIE Monitors cited as. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Battles. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. 103. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and destroy reality, in Marvel Comics. The Soruce(DC) 5. Been done here on the vine. ago. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. Beyonder erases him from existence. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. Numidium 2. Let me remind you that SCP verse is much bigger than both Marvel and DC. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. The time lords are at their best. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. 2. . About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. As PRB is an embodiment of Infinite Dimensions + Beyonder Realm in totality, and there is no evidence that Demonbaneverse is. LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. The Beyonder is bloodlusted. Jul 30, 2018. #1 Omega48. Interesting. Jmarshmallow. So there are 2 feats for HoTU that need to get debunked. The beyonder is under him. Round 1: CAS vs. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. While pre retcon beyonder almost gets argued for a lose against toaa after a hard fought battle! So i think pre retcon beyonder = the presence. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. The Beyonder “realizes” something. . Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. A Time Lords) from the. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. 8. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Archived post. #1 Thanatic. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. 7 years ago. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. • 1 year ago. New comments cannot be posted. I don't think that PR Beyonder would actually notice him. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. Children can be extremely capricious, and a being as powerful as the Beyonder with that attitude can be very dangerous. The recent additions of the Heart of the Universe as an accepted Canon Thing, and the Pre-Retcon Beyonder's revisions were the first results of such result. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Beyonder uses his prep to observe Doom preparing,. User Lists: 0We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. He is. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Nov 6, 2017. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. There are Infinite, far less. Beyonder Spider-Man vs Naruto, MHA, Bleach, One Piece, Magi, Umineko, Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya verses. deactivated-5d45fd7ce1a16. 2. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon Feats, Secret Wars and 1984 and pre-1984 Scaling only) Ivory Kings, First Firmament + Ultimate Ultimates. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he. DC_Marvel_1000. A. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. (616)Spider-Man with the powers of the beyonder vs these verses. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s. Beyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. Doctor strange opens one in front and back. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. As a scientist, Doctor Manhattan is all about doing things step by step. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. This topic is locked from further discussion. 3. He encountered the child Beyonder in the latter's. "Pre-retcon" just means. "No other force or power in existence could. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. Jim Shooter who was the editor at Marvel at the time said so and the Beyonder himself said so. Aetherius is a larger infinity than Oblivio and encompasses its entirety, existing as a static realm of pure Anuic Light where all things exist in pure, timeless harmony. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. #1 Edited By LightningGod67. No prep and no knowledge. so the Doomslayer stomps. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used(yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. The events of. I would take the race of the Beyonders against the race. But Pre-Retcon Beyonder was around during 1985 during secret wars; making this databook not applicable to the Beyonder on the post. The events of Secret Wars I and II were not removed from canon, what changed was the Beyonder's relationship with the other cosmic entities. . Adviser (Vs)Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. ". A common misconception about HoTU is that it's omnipotent or a fraction of TOAA's power, multiversal and some stuff of the like, the only indicator for this is that thanos absorbed LT during his fight, in terms of power, HoTU isn't a lot more impressive than the IG for an example. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. KuRuPT Thanosi. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Note: While the Beyonder's existence is often divided between "pre-retcon" and "post-retcon" in relation to the original Secret Wars, this is not entirely accurate. Lucifer and Micheal are on the Tribunal's level at best. vs. deactivated-621c40d36c53f. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. Nope. No, he is likely Presence level. Reviews: 0. 1. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. The Scarlet King scales above Aleph 2 and 3 which Marvel doesn't reach that level. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. 2. Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion. Yglorba • 3 yr. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. 0. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. According to that one guy Anos could do it,. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Morals are on for Shuma. Hence why people differentiate the. #2. "Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre," omipotent does not make a auto win. The omnipotent Beyonder is on a destructive rampage and has decided to destroy the entire Marvel omniverse. Open comment sort options Best; Top; New. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Hesperus 25 d . Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. Make an false image of him, From behind the beyonder. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. u/nullfather can attest to that. The One Above All. . well omnipotent. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Period. First, that was a bad parody of Aquiles. Beyonder can destroy the concept of death to the point that above Infinite-D beings like Molecule Man couldn't kill a freaking flower and can restore it while being power depleted with just a. Pre-retcon The Beyonder was omnipotent in his Beyondverse, outside the Multiverse, and his powers were similar to those of the Living Tribunal who was a Multiverse level entity but the original beyonder was stated to have been the strongest character in the marvel universe in terms of nigh omnipotence and omniscience. 0. 5 years ago. Shuma Gorath. 2. Both are Omnipotent Supreme Beings but PRB was God to something larger than. CsmicRanker1314 1. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. Once a lowly lab technician desperate for recognition, Owen Reece miraculously became one of the most powerful beings in existence, the Molecule Man, while fixing an atomic device. Isn't that pre retcon beyonder? post retcon last i can remember was way weaker than pre retcon beyonder and Fu walks around from High hyperversal to Outerversal. The value of your argument reached the negatives the moment you put fodder Beyonder above anyone here. #36. Victory by permanent death or erasure. the_doctor. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. Inbetweener. 9 years ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Dr Doom. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. Doomslayer can beat 69420 trillion Master Chiefs and has literally indestructible armor he stomps. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. #1 Edited By NinjaWarrior268. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. 13 years. 1. HD wallpapers and background images. Pre Retcon Beyonder. The Beyonder, and Molecule man, are each. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. 0. 11,582. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. He would erase him from existence. [deleted] • 8 yr. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. Lucifer is not omnipotent. BEYONDERS In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. His accident poked a pinhole into the universe of a child Beyonder, and the energy from that universe empowered him. Additional powers include teleportation, flight, the ability to choose his own physical resistances and attributes. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel :. Post-Retcon Beyonder: A cosmic cube being that had split in half, the other side being Molecule Man. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Hey guy's! aaj jo mai batane jaa rha hoon #Marvel ke most powerful character jo sirf marvel multiiverse me hi nhi balki dusre companies ke multiverse se bada. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. There are more multiverses in existence than stars in the sky. The beyonder is a person from another plane of existence called the beyond which is larger than the marvel multiverse. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Making a spite. Aug 9, 2016. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. Forum Posts. Both are in character. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. O. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. Tdk banished the Great Darkness from Barbatos, and took over the Dark multiverse, Barbatos is just a small avatar of the Great Darkness. Followers. In Secret Wars 2, the Beyonder was above the real Living Tribunal (In the retcon, it was. 0. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they were of both. Thought Robot without any effort. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. -Both at 1-A -I wonder which Beyonders are stronger now since the The Beyonders recently got upgraded into 1-A. Motivation: Both want to kill each other. Lucifer is above an Infinitely Layered Creation. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. ". When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is ery powerful, but not powerful enough to beat the one above all. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. 1. The Beyonder, a young member of an ancient race known as the Beyonders, was made aware of the Marvel Universe due to an 'accident' orchestrated by the other Beyonders involving Owen Reece. Basically he is like the Amalgam Brothers, but so much powerful the Brothers would be microscopic in comparison. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Darkest Knight Round 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted. 7 K. Living Tribunal >>>>>Pre-Retcon Beyonder>>>>>White crown phoenix "and yet Phoenix Rachel shocked the Beyonder. Summary. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. 0. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. Kingant27. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. 3. . Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Pre retcon Beyonder seems omnipotent inside the marvel multiverse because its like comparing a dinosaur to a bunch of ants. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. 4 years ago. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. Batman gets as much prep time as he wants. She surpasses him in raw power by far. Dreamxd26. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. But it wont be easy by no means. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Team 2 = Fusion mode. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. The Beyonders who are attacking the multiverse are beings that live in the beyond, which most likely is either outside the multiverse, or be void between universes. Jack Kline can’t do shit. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. Well COIE Anti Monitor, as powerful as he may be, is actually a little out of his league here. #11. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. so the 1st retcon beyonder. You need to be logged in to post comments. 0. Assuming the several dimensions to be universes isn't something streched considering the PRB power. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. it would be mostly stalemate. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive battle between many of the mainstream. Forums Battles Darkseid (True Form) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 121 results 1 2 3 #1 Soratoumiga 4 years ago #2 ProfessorRespect Beyonder. Beyonder on the other hand, flip-flops back and forth as to how powerful he really is because of the inconsistent showings of entities that he has fought and the inconsistency of Beyonder's own showings with his own statements for instance: Beyonder was stated to be Million X Infinity the size of a Multiverse but this is mathematically. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . #8. Shinra destroys their narrative 68%. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. MJJ's powers keep increasing exponentialy. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. 4 years ago. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death.